For All The "No Roof" Haters

[amjgt]

I'm sick of everyone (mostly people not from MN) ripping the city/organization for not having a roof on our stadium in this "Arctic Climate". So, for all the "No Roof" haters.

Average April Temps:
Minneapolis - 46.6
Cleveland - 47.6
Chicago - 47.8
Detroit - 48.1
Boston - 48.3

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0762183.html

[OldLadyTwinsFan]

I get ripped for this in Chicago all the time and all I say is 'Are you kidding me??? Ever gone to a game in Wrigley or the Cell in april?' It really pisses me off and I do come back with the average temps in spring are no colder in Minnesota than in any of the other northern, non-domed baseball park cities. At least when I go to a game at Target Field in April, there will be areas that are heated ... not so in either of the REALLY CRAPPY stadiums in Chicago. But face it ... no matter what the temps are elsewhere, even if they are the same or colder, Minnesota WILL get ripped for this with no one pointing out the counterparts elsewhere.

[Klobs]

Doesn't that say that it is, in fact colder?

[amjgt]

Yes. But Tampa is colder than Miami. Does that mean there is a significant difference?

[Great Canadian Twins Fan]

Yes. But Tampa is colder than Miami. Does that mean there is a significant difference?

This is why Tampa has a domed stadium and Miami doesn't.

[Joe]

Yes. But Tampa is colder than Miami. Does that mean there is a significant difference?

This is why Tampa has a domed stadium and Miami doesn't.

hahaha thats funny

[VodkaDave]

they should have built a roof

[OldLadyTwinsFan]

Doesn't that say that it is, in fact colder?

Add in the wind off Lake Michigan and I'll take Target Field any day. It is way worse in Chicago that time of year. WAY worse.

[VodkaDave]

Correct me if I am wrong, but the temp isn't the issue right?

Its the 10 inches of snow that could knock out a weeks worth of games in April and/or October.

[slinger45]

Correct me if I am wrong, but the temp isn't the issue right?

Its the 10 inches of snow that could knock out a weeks worth of games in April and/or October.

do you know how snow works? its not like we have a huge lake for lake affect snow, our propensity for snow would be the same as those other cities.

[OldLadyTwinsFan]

Correct me if I am wrong, but the temp isn't the issue right?

Its the 10 inches of snow that could knock out a weeks worth of games in April and/or October.

Was it last year or the year before when Cleveland had to play games in Milwaukee because of snow?

[skoalvikings]

Correct me if I am wrong, but the temp isn't the issue right?

Its the 10 inches of snow that could knock out a weeks worth of games in April and/or October.

The real issue is that retractable roof stadiums generally suck. Go to Milwaukee for a game and you'll see what a waste they are. There like a big dome with a hole in the roof and no air movement. There's nothing worse than a hot, humid day of baseball in an enclosed Miller Park. Even when the roof is open, you can't really see out of the park at all. Not a fan.

[TheLeviathan]

The real issue is that retractable roof stadiums generally suck. Go to Milwaukee for a game and you'll see what a waste they are. There like a big dome with a hole in the roof and no air movement. There's nothing worse than a hot, humid day of baseball in an enclosed Miller Park. Even when the roof is open, you can't really see out of the park at all. Not a fan.

Not to mention the temptation to close the roof any time the conditions aren't ideal. I've been to several games at Milwaukee where the threat of rain closed the roof on a sunny 80 degree day.

Just be happy we don't have the dome.

[Musk21]

Kind of a moot issue, isn't it? The Twins would have gladly taken a retractable roof if it was provided for in the stadium bill. After 10 years of lobbying, they took what they could get.

[Dan]

Correct me if I am wrong, but the temp isn't the issue right?

Its the 10 inches of snow that could knock out a weeks worth of games in April and/or October.

field is heated. unless it's actually snowing at game time, shouldn't be a problem.

[Hornhead]

Perhaps some of that "roof" money was used to make the team better instead. Probably no connection, but I'm willing to cut a little slack.

[kab21]

I'm willing to cut them a little slack because it actually got built. And it appears to be an excellent park and not something with flaws. The roof in Milwaukee is terrible since everytime they open/close it they think that it will breakdown. And I would rather have no roof than have something that doesn't work. And might require a big renovation in the future.

And I've been to about 50 games at comerica and it's going to be a little cold in April and during the playoffs but it will be awesome the rest of the year.

[Klobs]

Look, I don't want a roof, but it's going to be cold.

[OldLadyTwinsFan]

Look, I don't want a roof, but it's going to be cold.

I don't think anyone's arguing that ... yes, it's gonna be cold ... but if the media is gonna single us out, that's just not so ... it's COLD in chicago and detroit and cleveland that time of year, too ... okay warmer by 1 or 2 degrees on average ... but minnesota shouldn't be singled out because they didn't build a roof when neither did anyone else (except Milwaukee)

[Dan]

isn't the plan to take the steam from the garbage burner next door to heat the seats? with the playing surface heated. there should be no issue, unless like I said in the other post, it's actually snowing.

[VodkaDave]

I'm willing to cut them a little slack because it actually got built. And it appears to be an excellent park and not something with flaws. The roof in Milwaukee is terrible since everytime they open/close it they think that it will breakdown. And I would rather have no roof than have something that doesn't work. And might require a big renovation in the future.

And I've been to about 50 games at comerica and it's going to be a little cold in April and during the playoffs but it will be awesome the rest of the year.

Well if the Brewers have a shitty roof I guess that means all retractable roofs must be terrible?

Check out Safeco field, they did the roof just fine there, and they only keep it closed 5-7 times a year. (when absolutely necessary) Frankly, I don't care that they didn't build a roof, I'm just not going to plan any trips to Target field in April ever, as much as I love live baseball it really begins to suck when you are freezing your tail off for 3-4 hours. (playoffs not included)

[kab21]

I'm willing to cut them a little slack because it actually got built. And it appears to be an excellent park and not something with flaws. The roof in Milwaukee is terrible since everytime they open/close it they think that it will breakdown. And I would rather have no roof than have something that doesn't work. And might require a big renovation in the future.

And I've been to about 50 games at comerica and it's going to be a little cold in April and during the playoffs but it will be awesome the rest of the year.

Well if the Brewers have a shitty roof I guess that means all retractable roofs must be terrible?

Check out Safeco field, they did the roof just fine there, and they only keep it closed 5-7 times a year. (when absolutely necessary) Frankly, I don't care that they didn't build a roof, I'm just not going to plan any trips to Target field in April ever, as much as I love live baseball it really begins to suck when you are freezing your tail off for 3-4 hours. (playoffs not included)

My argument is that to get a roof they probably would have cut corners to make it cheaper like Milwaukee did. Because they weren't getting another 150M to build a roof. Not to mention they would have needed a different stadium site (too small for a roof).

[howeda7]

The time to debate/complain about this was 5 years ago. It's too late now. Get over it. Hennipen County rightfully didn't see a reason to pay for it. The Twins did the math and realized they'd have to draw an additional 1,700 fans to every game for 30 years to justify the cost. It didn't add up. The main people to benefit from it were those outstate. The outstate legislators had no interest in any kind of state-wide tax. It would never have passed. It was Target Field as is, or nothing. It won't be any worse then the other citiies in our division.

In an ideal world, the Twins would already be playing in a beautiful retractable roof stadium on the Mississippi River downtown. That's what they asked for in 1996. In typical Minnesota fashion, we said NO for 10 years and then built it semi-half assed when we finally got around to it. That's how the Metrodome came about. Under the circumstances, the Twins made sure Target Field was done right whereever possible by kicking in extra money. On the current site, the roof would have been a tremendous challenge in addition to the cost.

[amjgt]

It's not like April is automatically cold.

I think late September could be "worse". I put quotes around worse because it may actually be chillier in April, but 50 always seems a lot warmer in the Spring than it does in the fall.

[slpBaseb12]

I don't want to see another roof on a baseball stadium for as long as I fucking live.

[LunaticWithCandy]

Average temps are meaningless. Some games are going to be cold as fuck, some games are going to be marginally warm, by the end of April no one will care until September/October role around and we're battling the Yankees and their players will be "too cold to field/pitch" and the national media will reign hell on us for not building a roof (that their players would lose the ball in). I really look forward to it.

I'm more concerned that we wont have a roof on those 100 degree days with super high humidity. That was one of the best things about the dome, always a peachy 70 degrees. I guess I will only get to enjoy that perk for Monster Trucks and Vikings games now .

[hawkiconk]

shoulda kept metropolitan stadium

[twinscowboysbulls]

Fuck it, bunch of little bitches, lets just burn down TF and fuckin play in the Dome for all eternity. Bunch of fuckin tards.

[VodkaDave]

Fuck it, bunch of little bitches, lets just burn down TF and fuckin play in the Dome for all eternity. Bunch of fuckin tards.

ummm...ok....

[twinscowboysbulls]

Well Dave, to be honest, that is basically how everyone is acting...It's safe to believe that if we didn't get TF approved 4 years ago or however long ago it was, we might not even be playing in Minnesota anymore. I mean yes, it would be nice to have a retractable roof, but we don't have one, so move on. Either that or go root for the Brewers.

BEGGERS CANNOT BE CHOOSY!

[VodkaDave]

Well Dave, to be honest, that is basically how everyone is acting...It's safe to believe that if we didn't get TF approved 4 years ago or however long ago it was, we might not even be playing in Minnesota anymore. I mean yes, it would be nice to have a retractable roof, but we don't have one, so move on. Either that or go root for the Brewers.

BEGGERS CANNOT BE CHOOSY!

Frankly, I don't care that they didn't build a roof, I'm just not going to plan any trips to Target field in April ever, as much as I love live baseball it really begins to suck when you are freezing your tail off for 3-4 hours. (playoffs not included)

Yes, clearly I was bitching up a storm about it....

[Rocketpig]

I'll take a cold April over sitting in a retractable roof stadium in August when there is no wind and the stadium is about 95 degrees at field level with 80% humidity, as anyone who has had the honor of sitting at field level in Miller Park will understand.

[GROG]

isn't the plan to take the steam from the garbage burner next door to heat the seats? with the playing surface heated. there should be no issue, unless like I said in the other post, it's actually snowing.

yep, everyone is going to get a 12" block of compacted trash to light under their seat when they get cold.